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Panhead timing marks Later 1977 pinion gears had only one mark (for the cam). i have a 1955 flh and when the timing mark which im pretty sure is the line. I am assuming it is 35 degrees before TDC but am not sure. Bikes: 1948 Panhead 1985 FLHTC 2020 Electra Glide Standard 2016 HD Road Glide. 14025 County Hwy. I'm confident Set the gap at 0. The “F” mark stands for front cylinder 30° before top dead center (TDC). Bump the motor over very slowly (incremently) until the slash mark in the flywheel appears. Get it on compression Stroke as the Check ignition timing: At every 5000 mile (8000 km) service interval. Post by 59DUO » Wed May 07, 2008 10:15 pm. Adjust the timer stop with the post & nut. Skip to content It is an auto advance (with internal weights). Points are set to . Re: Auto advance timing: can I use a timing light. Don't try to overthink this, it is REALLY basic I am static timing my 49 manual advance Pan. The manual describes the timing setting in terms of marks and gaps, but I can't seem to find the range in degrees. leodavut · Registered. '65 up does NOT have a rear cylinder timing mark. The original handbook for a 65 electra says that the single timing mark on the flywheel is for front cilinder fully advanced, 35 degrees before top dead center, and the double timing mark is for the front cilinder in retard position, 5 degrees before top dead center. And now nada The mark should be in the center at full advance, check with a timing light. Too much space at the cam, we can handle. Has a junky aftermarket auto-advance timer unit. Make sure that it is the correct lobe for the cylinder that you are timing, and make sure that cylinder is on compression stroke. Not the Mallory of course. Just make them line up! Then bring the timing mark into the hole and set the timing to the FRONT cylinder on compression relative to the mark. Jump to Latest 21 - 31 of 31 Posts. Should that be in the center of the inspection hole Mark the point cam lobe that you are timing on. G Box 215 Viola, Wisconsin 54664 Phone: 608-627-1497 Fax: 608-627-1488 Email: sstech@sscycle. Now after timing, compression stroke front pot, timing mark in centre of hole,points set at 0. No early panhead has an F or an R on the flywheel. Note the steel plate on top of cylinder. Started by Nick9900, March 16, 2021, 05:49:52 PM. base but still panhead_kicker Sponsor 1x Senior Member Posts: 1700 Joined: Fri Oct 03 I thought my 52 pan only had one timing mark for the front cylinder (and no rear cylinder timing mark). 22", using light bulb to check when points are opening, and checking on small lobe with cam turned full clockwise ( direction of rotation) to full advance, spark at plugs. put points cover on, static time to approx 15deg Before TDC ( Not sure if it is 15deg. Panhead timing insanity PLEASE HELP ME. timing Marks. timing marks are in the usual place on the harmonic balancer but its the inside set of #'s. Jump to Latest Marks on pinion point uo to cam and side to circuit breaker gear. Then I got busy What i have is a panhead with a S&S stroker crank in it. Bikes: 1965 Panhead 1992 Jammer frame 43" Custom Springer 1991 Std Case STD dual-plugged heads Location: Bellingham wa. Installing Timer. I need some help timing my 1956 panhead. The original handbook for a 65 electra says that the single timing mark on the flywheel is for front cilinder fully advanced, 35 degrees before top dead center, My bike only has the one mark on the flywheel so I set it where it is just appearing in the timing hole turning it in the correct rotation. Then you need to time the scavenge pump with the crank mark with no regard to the timing marks on the cams. Now most of the timing instructions I've read, they only deal with the front cylinder TDC mark and front cylinder advance mark. TDC and 35 degrees are not the same locations for the rear cylinder, but the front is the designated one so that is how the flywheels are marked. I have 3 marks on the flywheel when the front cyl is at/near TDC. After assembly, Bikes: Panhead -49-FL Ironhead -80 Location: Helsinki , Finland . This is something you look at in your service manual. My factory service manual for '48 to '57 panheads describes how to static time the engine from the flywheel timing mark showing in the inspection hole. The other is a DOT. Go Down Pages 1. Print. '57 Panhead, '59 Panhead Location: Repop Hell Been thanked: 5 times. Your '65 could have them. and make sure that the timing adjusting plate is lined up with the timing mark on the side to. Thx Craig, this is my first Panhead and kickstart other than my first bike 30yrs. e. Now, the points rider does not line up with cam, doesn't matter if I put flywheel mark from right edge or in middle. The cam gear is twice the diameter with twice the tooth count (42 vs. John mentioned the "FLH" setting which is done by doing the static timing with the mark just barely entering the right side of the inspection hole instead of centering it. Panhead & Flathead; ↳ Panhead; ↳ Flathead; ↳ Servi-Car; ↳ Knucklehead; ↳ Shovelhead; ↳ Vintage Pictures; If they are all out you need to line up ALL the marks with no regard to the crank mark. (On your motor it's probably a stamped dot. ago, a 1950 Triumph that I could start very easily. Stock 1965 auto advance timer in excellent shape. Skip to content To make things EXTREMELY simple. This makes no sense given the valve timing. Post by VintageTwin » Sat Aug 16, 2008 1:26 am. RUBONE Moderator Senior Member Posts: 8813 Joined: Sat Nov 15, 2008 4:09 am Bikes: Multiple H-D, Ducati, BMW, Triumph, BSA, Has thanked: 146 times Been thanked: 794 times Timing a 49 panhead. Re: Mallory A557 ignition install. • S&S Harley-Davidson® Sportster® model flywheels have three timing marks, “F”, “R” and “TF”. Skip to content Bikes: 65 Panhead in a 70 FLH frame Location: Northeast PA, USA Been thanked: 2 times. akellerman7772 Junior Member Posts: 5 Joined: Thu Dec 28, 2017 10:36 am Bikes: 1949 G Panhead & Flathead; ↳ Panhead; ↳ Flathead; ↳ Servi-Car; ↳ Knucklehead; ↳ Shovelhead; ↳ Vintage Pictures; ↳ Other models; Just do as you would to time the motor, front cyl. It's probably a dot or a line. Skip to content What needs to be done to get this thing to be a one-kick start? Please comment on timing issue, etc. Timing is the measure of when you fire the spark in relation to the piston's position in its travel. First the repop auto dist. The intake valve will have been open for ~15-40* depending on timing advance. You need ever one. In all the manuals, the process starts with timing the breather body hole in the notch with the flywheel mark in the center of the timing hole. 022 for both sets of points. Well, some days are like this. We'll have to order another spacer s 60 panhead, stroker motor. Aligning the timing marks in the gearcase does not put the motor at any particular position relevant to the timing mark. For single point timer with original flywheels, your full advance timing mark should be in centre of hole i. The “R” mark is rear cylinder 30° before TDC. Quote #1. When the intake has just closed the line will come into the hole and the narrow lobe (the one with the hash mark) is close to alignment with the points cam follower. I therefore followed your advice of timing the shutterwheel on the full advance timing mark (line) instead of the top dead center (dot). I use the bulb on all timers /auto-adv. that is TDC= Top Dead Center. Set the flywheel timing mark in the center of the inspection hole, making sure the front cylinder is on its compression stroke. circuit breaker ( distributor ) ,The timing mark is to the rear of center of hole and if you have an auto adv. Incidentally, since my 63FL (sort of) is a "being-assembled-from-many-various-parts bike", basically a rat-chopper project, I went ahead and installed a used OEM 1965 auto-advance timer. when it engages the helical circuit breaker drive gear. & the times I had to barely tweak the timing it was off a hair. The mark on the flywheel. One clue for me is that the engine ran better if the timing was retarded a fair amount (using the left hand control). So will tomorrow pull push rods, tappet blocks etc and re align. With test lamp attached per FSM, light off recent rebuild 1954 panhead. I have a 84" panhead with Hunt magneto and S&S E carb. Remove the timer plug and start the engine , set the engine to idle at 2000 rpm then aim the timing light at the flywheel and fine adjust the points to get the timer mark into the timing light strobe . panhead_kicker Sponsor 1x Senior Member Posts: 1682 Joined: Fri Oct 03, 2008 2:57 am Bikes: Pan FLHP Evo E-H Super X Chubble head hack Servi-car That line is the TIMING mark. you need to have the timing mark in the window,on the compression stroke remove your points and drop the new unit in timing marks 65 panhead electra. Another The timming marks on the flywheel has a dot and a vertical line. When you drop the timer in place the front intake tappet should have just closed and the timing mark has just come into the hole. This enables you to rotate the top of the circuit breaker and adjust the timing. Rotate the engine backwards, slowly. It fits models 1937-1947 that is 6 or 12 volts 316-682-4781 . I have the coil and the new spark plugs and the wires. SHe appears to be gettin good spark and my buddy claims timing is dead on. Don't try to overthink this, it is REALLY basic Checking the ignition timing marks for accuracy using the "positive piston stop" method. The cam gear mark is not exactly opposite (180° away from) the pinion mark, and the marks will not line up at all. does . Now S&S timing marks can sometimes be higher than you expect. TQ I am upgrading my oil pump on 1950 Panhead with an S&S unit. Check the full advance timing, referencing the advance timing mark on the flywheel, which SHOULD be a vertical line. Make sure the stud with the control cable stays in the fully advanced position. is in the hole the rear cylinder is up when I feel with as crew driver. The rear cylinder will be 45* after TDC (intake stroke) when the front cylinder is at TDC (end of compression stroke). Re: Timing gears. HD 96295-65D) into timing inspection hole. Are you sure you are on compression on the front cylinder? Intake pushrod just closing? It sounds like you are 180 out or have a massive air leak. com Website: www. contact points should just begin to open the test light off. Like the title say I need help with the timing and points of the circuit breaker. #maintenance #harleydavids And it will start. Piston down, up, down, up; suck, squeeze, bang, blow. Skip to content Bikes: '46 Knuck. Start from scratch and do it all again. Post by 03Roadking » Thu Nov 02, Found cam gear timing marks were all off. that need to be checked before claiming the motor is just tight and wont spin freely. The following is for the old style Joe Hunt,if yours has an advancer mechanism do exactly the same thing but hold the adv at full advance when you set the timing. Help with timing marks. Set contact points @. Post by Old Guy » Wed Nov 28, 61 to 64 flywheels have timing marks for front (marked F) and rear (marked R) for dual point systems. Even at 30* advance, the rear will be 15* after TDC on the intake stroke, closer to 40* after TDC at idle. reverse crankcase gears in a panhead. First time timing anything, read extensively about how to time the first cylinder and I am confident in this procedure but the fly wheel that I have does not have a rear timing mark. Be I have the 4 6 and 8 switches on and the 1 2 3 5 7 off the timing is correct and the valves are set correctly I have an AB grind andrews cam with a S&S super e carb the bike is a real bitch to start does anyone have any Panhead & Flathead; ↳ Panhead; ↳ Flathead; ↳ Servi-Car; ↳ Knucklehead; ↳ Shovelhead; ↳ The Panhead & Flathead Site. 018 for 12volt systems, . I need to know if the bike needs to be at full running temp and at what idle speed and where the timing mark should be in the hole. Skip to content. . Jerry I have a ‘64 Panhead with single contact manual advance OEM timer. Good price. But the Setting Harley Panhead point gap and ignition timing. 018" if this is a 12V panhead). 55FL with original fly wheels and timing mark. With the mag retarded , turned clockwise, put a piece of cellophane between the points and turn the mag to full advance, the cellophane should just release at full advance. Panhead and Flathead site. Skip to content Is this double line timing mark TDC or 35 degrees before TDC? My Clymer manual does not cover this type of mark. If anyone has any suggestions i would appreciate it. Post by panhead12004 » Fri Jul 01, pulled the timing cover off to see if i somehow got my timing marks mixed up somehow or forgot something but all 4 gear timing marks are lined up. Assembled my 44U cam chest yesterday. Not sure where you are getting that. To isolate the points disconnect the coil and condensor wires. timers love the lightbulb!. and one lead to a D-ring bolt and turn the ignition ON. Double line started in 65, single line is full advance for front cylinder. The manual advance timer removed and replaced with a single points auto advance distributor/timer unit on it. Skip to content Timing Tip: Clean & w/white, paint the timing marks accurately, prior to beginning the process, & let dry Makes visability that much easier. I used to be able to time it in minutes. I have ran a timing-light after just using the bulb & have been dead-on MOST of the time. Installed this on my pan other day unable to get white lines between two parts lined up,when timing mark is where its suppose to be in hole. Skip to content I had apparently installed my spark timer off a tooth. kell Member Posts: 412 Bikes: 1950 panhead, 1999 FLHTCI, 1987 FLHTC custom Location: Daytona Beach Has thanked: 80 times Been thanked: 77 times. Put a piece of clean cigarette paper between the closed points, set the timing mark in the window with the front cylinder on compression stroke, rotate the timer in the advance direction (counter-clockwise or toward the centerline of the bike) until the points just barely open enough to release the cigarette paper. Panhead Cam/Timing. My pinion gear should have a second mark to line up with the circuit breaker gear mark, but it Re: Rear Timing mark On a 1956 FLH Panhead ? Post by TimmyV » Sun May 23, 2010 2:56 pm IIRC, the late 1961 model Pans were the first to have the rear cylinder timing mark when they came out with the dual-points system. Lamp will go OUT, They have it for 50 bucks. pull the timing inspection plug and see what you're looking at. To install in a 4-degree advance, or a 4-degree retard position, the gear must be pressed off of the camshaft and key lined up with the respective mark. sscycle. Loosen the circuit breaker lock nut and rotate the base fully clockwise. Skip to content The Panhead & Flathead Site. 0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic. I am static timing my 49 manual advance Pan. 022 for 6 volts, on the highest point of the point-cam lobe. A single slash comes into the Front cylinder on compression, advance line middle of the window. 022 is for 6 volts). No wonder motor would not start. The crank mark is for the oil pump and timer, the pinion line is for the cams. In the case of the normal way to time your The Panhead & Flathead Site. Your instructions for static timing call for this in the timing hole. Also, proper way to hook up timing light. I'm familiar with timing procedures and what the manuals say, which got me wondering whether the timing marks on knuckle, pan, and flatties are in the same location on the flywheels relative to degrees. Now, with the line in the hole, The timing marks on the timing components, like gears, chain, or belt pullies, on most represent this scenario. See Figure 0. It should line up with the points follower when your timing mark is visible in the timing hole. One that doesn't have to do with the four strokes, but rather case This is me installing the ebeyond 2000 electronic pickup on a 1946 Knuckle Head Harley Davidson distributor. Set front cylinder (marked "F" on base) first; then, set the rear Note: always check ignition timing whenever double circuit breaker points are adjusted since any change in rear contact panhead timing w/e-beyond 2000 IGN. t. ANy help to get this thing a bit more reliable would be of great help! Engen! You can always fine-tune the position of the timing line with a strobe after you get it approximate by static timing. Then No early panhead has an F or an R on the flywheel. When I see the line perfectly center in the hole, my cam timing mark is pointed directly at the mark on the distributor. super e brand new 1. Set the gap at 0. Therefore, the marks will align every other rotation. The points should be at their widest when the follower is at the apex of either lobe of the cam: the narrow one with The timing is set according to the front cylinder. -I believe its the best way to set-up the timing. What is the easiest way to get the timing close to right with and engine not running. 015" CLEAN POINTS 2-remove both Instead of pulling dist and relocating it,i removed the gear cover and found the timing marks way off,i then rotated the engine and found they did line up,but the flywheel timing slot was nowhere to be seen in the hole,i then checked the front piston location,seems when they line up the front piston is 7/16 about from bdc,instead of ready to fire at about tdc. It has one narrow, more pointed lobe and one wider, more rounded lobe. Point gap is . 3. But any and all of the timing marks can only be put on the flywheel in its 360 degree circumference. doesn't have timing marks on it like the factory dist. Forum Use flywheel timing mark for front cylinder. bike runs when fully advanced,starts fine. The two parallel marks are probably as the piston begins its downward stroke best I can tell. Top. So in my case, I have a late pinion gear in an early timing case. A timing mark on a moving object (the flywheel, or the cup when you're done here) is no good without a stationary reference point on the engine. It is possible all sorts other things could be wrong to cause the same results. Joined Apr 15, 2020 · 40 Posts. With the gear case cover off I aligned the gear timing marks before removing the pump and I noticed that the flywheel timing mark is not anywhere near the timing hole. And if you have a manual circuit breaker the manual says that it should be fully advanced and flywheel marks should be the same has I discribed on the right side looking at it. 1-set point gap at . some new fresh gasoline, checked that the valves were closed at compression, measured that TDC was correct and that the timing mark actually was 35* from it. 5. Since 1970: Truett & Osborn Flywheels. By your description it sounds like the timing does not reach full advance. Timing marks are also determined at the cylinder designated for timing. For our Harley motor, another player needs timed. Points are gapped at . Arrow on shutter points to I think a mark on the distributer case. If your buddy is building a genny Panhead Motor-Go with the OEM timer!-They work the best & are built for LONGTERM abuse in my opinion Dedicated to the Harley-Davidson Panhead, Flathead, Knucklehead and Shovelhead. 21) of the pinion gear. 020. So just modify the steps I indicated above looking for the advance timing marks rather than TDC. The next 2 marks are right next to each other. Then my pinion gear mark is at about 1 o’clock as in the diagram. Thread TIMING MARK VIEW PLUG (Part No. Points fiber splitting the timing mark, You can hook one lead of the bulb to the positive pole of the batt. It is impossible to get it wrong. I can't turn the plate far enough. For 1948-1965 “Panhead Camshaft must be installed with the timing marks lined up on both the pinion gear and the breather gear. To adjust the timing loosen the nut on the advance cable stud. With test lamp attached per RooDog Sponsor 1x Senior Member Posts: 5756 Joined: Tue Oct 31, 2017 1:00 pm Bikes: 1950 Panhead, Resto-Mod 1968 90", 5 Speed Shovelhead, 1984 Home Built Custom Evo 100" Bagger Location: Knoxville, Tennessee Has Setting the ignition points and spark timing on a Flathead, Knucklehead, Panhead or Shovelhead Harley with a manual advance distributor. com I think the timing is correct. Price Increase effective March 1, 2023: Part numbers for Truett & Osborn Flywheels are determined by combining the model code and the desired Panhead and Flathead site. I have a 70's era built Panhead made from spares. Only marks are two slashes one with 3 dots center punched around it and seems to be or 2 full turns of the flywheel. Bikes: 1955 FLH panhead stock 1974 ironhead chopper Has thanked: 1 time Been thanked: 1 time. I need to read my manual again because I'm hearing the timing mark should just be entering the viewing hole The Panhead & Flathead Site. S&S Sportster® model flywheelshave timing marks on 2. 1 2. Second mark on cam gear goes to breather gear mark. My '48 pan timing is set exactly per the manual - timing mark is to the rear of the timing hole and the timer is set to the exact point where the points voltage changes state. Or simply, the different type of circuit breaker does not effect the timing mark? Regards, Panhead Joey At the top of this page is a section marked documentation. , Will start (runs OK) but once in gear will labour and stall. A single slash comes into the timing plug window first while the front piston is near the top but not there yet(adv). In it there is a factory service manual (59-69) that covers all points type ignitions up to the nose cone. The type in the word "Panhead" and buy all four of them, from off the top shelf. The timing mark is also centered in the hole to set the breather gear timing on the return pump. I just removed the timing cover from my '48 pan engine and noticed that the timing mark on the circuit breaker gear was off about 3 or 4 teeth. Twin vertical marks are rear cylinder marks for dual point. I actually have two flywheel marks. You want the timing advance mark. I don't feel like it should run 180 out. c, check the timing of the engine and valves :-Pull the spark plugs and set the point gap to . Sidecar: The timer base, circuit breaker base, whatever you want to call it, is rotated counter-clockwise to advance timing. If you don't have an open primary you can put the bike in 4th gear and spin the wheel backwards. Maybe I'm missing something, but it looks like when Take the valve cover off and verify TDC on #1. When the pinion gear is aligned with the cam and breather, disregard everything else. One mark for the cam and the other mark for the circuit breaker gear. Started by CO-retired, June 12, 2009, 08:10:39 PM. I swung the flywheel around to the compression stroke just after the intake closed and put the timing mark in the window. Forum Line them all up and you are fine. panhead_kicker Sponsor 1x Senior Member Posts: 1695 Joined: Fri Oct 03, 2008 2:57 am Bikes: Pan FLHP Evo E-H Super X Chubble head hack Servi-car Topper(s) Model 64D (Hey its got 3 wheels!) Get the front piston close to TDC , rotate the points plate till points are at the widest gap then regap the points to . For example. night which is time-trial night at Englishtown Raceway in NJ, for those o of The timing marks on the S&S wheels in my pan (a set put in about 13 years ago, 4 1/2 stroke) show, as they come up when you rotate your kicker, first a " . Id like a definitive and Dedicated to the Harley-Davidson Panhead, Flathead, Knucklehead and Shovelhead. The mark on the cam lobe is merely a reference point, NOT the correct timing position. This is NOT the timing mark, it is (obviously) TDC. Hello . Skip to content Bring the front piston up on compression stroke, just after the front intake pushrod goes down, and watch for the timing mark to come up to center of the hole. You are advancing the timing once the bike starts, right? The Panhead & Flathead Site. Full advance mark at 35° BTDC. Discussion starter · #21 · Jun 21, 2022 when ya get to the timing mark, set a drinking straw into the front plug hole, The times at the track didnt lie!---We used the same rider,same cam,same bike--He made 3 passes at mark to mark installation. Get those possiblilities eliminated and I suspect Hi all, Presently I have a 65 FLH (in AU) - and have issues with its ignition, timing etc. Re: Removing my cam/gear cover. My electronic ignition module static timing called for TDC (vertical line). Previous topic - Next topic. lock it down there and you're OK, that's good to hear, stock timing marks. Trying to dial in static timing. Also cleaned up slipping clutch plates the other day as clutch was slipping. It also has a morris magneto on it. In order to adjust your timing, you need the distributor housing fully advanced by turning it counter-clockwise until it The original handbook for a 65 electra says that the single timing mark on the flywheel is for front cilinder fully advanced, 35 degrees before top dead center, and the double I have a 57 panhead and am trying to determine which flywheel marks are what. He also mentioned he got a lot of pinging and changed it back. The Panhead & Flathead Site. Dedicated to the Harley-Davidson Panhead, Flathead, Knucklehead and Shovelhead The left flywheel got a rear cylinder timing mark midyear, and pushrods were designed with a longer main body and shorter pressed in bottom section. system its in the middle of timing hole , kinda dead center. rotating backwards takes all the gear lash out of the system so you will get your most accurate static timing. 1948 -1960 used a single contact point manual advance ignition timer. slightly before center for retard position. 020 so I installed the distributor with the timing mark on the top of the distributor shaft pointing toward the nylon point bumper. There is no "R" on my flywheel. When I static timed it to the timing mark on the flywheel it was kicking back hard. to tell ya , but if you have a manual adv. Pinion is timed cam , breather gear and circuit breaker gear. 018 since it's a 12 volt (. (less than 1/2 revolution) until the advance timing mark is aligned in the inspection hole (when aligned, the advance mark has about 1/8" of flywheel surface exposed to the right of the mark). Service. More so if the timing is already set a little on the advance side. mark should be in center of timing hole for advanced position. Anyway, you gotta have flywheel timing marks on there. I have a 57 panhead and am trying to determine which flywheel marks are what. Robbie Bikes: 1959 panhead. hold the weights in the retarded position. Everything is connected. Now, the breather gear can be another story. So the book is not clear about the gear tick marks all lining up with the flywheel mark in the Sidecar: The timer base, circuit breaker base, whatever you want to call it, is rotated counter-clockwise to advance timing. Home. It does have a full advance, retarded and TDC mark. So the front and rear cylinder I have a Panhead with a new auto advance circuit breaker, dyna 12v coil 5ohm and a 12v battery temporarily on the floor. Bikes: 1934 Harley VLD, 1955 Panhead FL Location: Milton Ont Canada. The ignition I am using is a DynaS duel fire. George48----I always set to . All is covered in the manuals. I developed an electronic ignition and a new "distributor" with a programmable advance curve and would like to map the stock advance curve as a starting point. In the top photo, however, they will not. Used to run great, a one kicker. One is a vertical slot [mark] this is the advance timing mark. Instagram @garagebound_ Points @ 00:54TIming @ 2:45Pushrods @ 8:40Getting ready to fire this 1949 Panhead I have been building. it to the mark I had already scribed at the shop!---Again 3 passes same rider same night, Wed. Professional. Set the circuit breaker unit to fully advanced. Be sure and set the points to just break when fully advanced. So what I did was remove the points plate. on compression stroke, timing mark in the timing hole. 35 degrees BTDC, I understood that this was when the rear cyl' double slash timing mark was introduced so why are they not there, older flywheels? The slash for rear cylinder was introduced in late '61 on the Dual point ignition system. There is a possibility that your breather valve is not timed properly, I have seen them with two timing marks, obviously one had to be wrong. I think on your '97 EVO, the two (2) "dots" are the 20* advance mark. Jerry Re: Panhead timing Best to start afresh before thinking about cams e. Harley Davidson Panheads used three types of ignition timers and coils from 1948 to 1965. I know, it sounds counter intuitive, but that is how they line up. The bike is a panhead. I have been having some problems setting the timing with a strobe. Front cylinder on compression stroke, timing mark at rear of inspection hole as per FSM. Keep in mind it will rotate clockwise about 20 deg. In a panhead or shovel it is about 7/16ths of an inch of stroke, set the FRONT piston at TDC, and make a mark on the side of the left flywheel. Take out plug on left side of motor to see timing mark when the front piston is TDC. Post by Mikko » Tue Oct 16, 2012 8:59 pm. tried moving dist. '21 LowRider ST 126 rwhp, 134 The Panhead & Flathead Site. 1 S&S Cycle, Inc. 1-set the point gap(. If the mark is just inside the window on the left side, To make things EXTREMELY simple. 0 Members and 2 Guests are viewing this topic. Hi all, Presently I have a 65 FLH (in AU) - and have issues with its ignition, timing etc. Skip to content I'm don't know enough about Mags. Align timing marks and torque retaining Bikes: 1962 Panhead Scooter. I have static timed it but now I want to time it with a light. Post by jimd60491 » Sat Jul 27, 2013 6:07 pm. 4. ----I then took it apart in the trailer & ADV. lined the marks on the timer. Doug Coffey’s RetroMod Panhead; Funky Panhead 2018; J&P Cycles Giveaway Bike – 2014; Mudflap Girl FXR 2011; Pandemic 2020; Shrunken FXR; Sturgis Shovel 2005; Lee also confirmed that to find the timing mark easily take the front intake pushrod all the way up, and as it starts to close, RUBONE Moderator Senior Member Posts: 8823 Joined: Sat Nov 15, 2008 4:09 am Bikes: Multiple H-D, Ducati, BMW, Triumph, BSA, Has thanked: 146 times Been thanked: 795 times The Panhead & Flathead Site. Re: Auto advance timer ?? Post by foundationapps » Sun timing marks 65 panhead electra. 022") 2-rotate the engine,watch the front intake pushrod go up and start down 3-locate the advance fire mark in the middle of the hole 4-with the circuit Remove the timing cap so you can see the flywheel mark. Search Advanced search. Place the flywheel mark just past the right edge of the timing hole, but where you can see a complete gap (between the trailing edge of the flywheel slash and the right edge of the timing hole). Bikes: 1950 Panhead, Resto-Mod 1968 90", 5 Speed Shovelhead, 1984 Home Built Custom Evo 100" Bagger Location: Knoxville, Tennessee I have a ‘64 Panhead with single contact manual advance OEM timer. steinauge Inactive member Bikes: 1950 panhead, 1999 FLHTCI, 1987 FLHTC custom Location: Daytona Beach Has thanked: 500 times Been thanked: 741 times. 1955 HD Panhead: 2007 HD Street Glide: 1956 Mercury Montclair, Black 2 Dr Htp; 1965 230SL: 2005 Pontiac Sunfire: 1993 Range Rover: 1977 450SL parts car: Print; Pages: [1] RooDog Sponsor 1x Senior Member Posts: 5737 Joined: Tue Oct 31, 2017 1:00 pm Bikes: 1950 Panhead, Resto-Mod 1968 90", 5 Speed Shovelhead, 1984 Home Built Custom Evo 100" Bagger Location: Knoxville, Tennessee Has place a straw into the sparkplug hole while turning the engine counterclockwise from the left side - what ever shows up in the hole before the piston gets to the top is the advance mark - to confirm your on the front cylinder correct timing - a foot long 3/8 hose can be placed against the front plug hole blowing into it you should feel resistance, confirm this by doing it in Dedicated to the Harley-Davidson Panhead, Flathead, Knucklehead and Shovelhead To do so leave the oil pump retaining bolts about a quarter turn loose, put the transmission into 5th gear and rotate the engine to align/center the pump. seller maintains not right unless white marks line up. With the cam lobe in position to start opening points, insert timer so the head will be in the middle of it's adjustment range. All of the other marks on the cam gear, idler gear, Bikes: 1954 FL Panhead 1976 Sporty 1983 FXRT Shovelhead 2000 FLHT TC 2008 Anniversary Ultra Location: New York City Been thanked: 1 time. Set static timing using the advanced mark on the flywheel, and hold the ignition rotor in the advanced position (counterclockwise). THAT is the timing mark. The narrow lobe is the lobe you use to set the timing. If you have the advance timing correct, you should find that it starts best at about Bikes: 1950 Panhead, Resto-Mod 1968 90", 5 Speed Shovelhead, 1984 Home Built Custom Evo 100" Bagger Location: Knoxville, Tennessee Has thanked: 657 times 2018 10:55 pm. 015 . Dedicated to the Harley-Davidson Panhead 1951 Flywheel timing mark question: tickface: Fri, 09 Apr 2010: 15: 1951 pan engine case leak: sla0001: Tue, 10 Apr 2007: 5: 1952 pan sprocket shaft seal: 69camfrk: At least about the Timing marks. Does a 52' pan have only the front cylinder mark, or does it have BOTH front and rear cylinder timing marks ? If it has both I could be timing the wrong mark. read the book about the 95885-61 tool to get the cylinder on compression stroke at 7/16" BTDC to adjust the points for the rear cylinder. Here's what I did: 1. The Independent Classic Harley Board. Works great. 022" (use 0. Re: Checking the timing. So, i just received a mallory a556 timer, I followed the instructions set the front cylinder to tdc . With the mark centered in the hole the points should just be starting to open AT FULL ADVANCE. The bike was built in 83, but the parts may be even older than that. THEY ARE NOT RIGHT FOR TIMING A SINGLE POINT SYSTEM! A single vertical line will appear shortly after the front intake closes. While on the subject, the manual says to idle the bike between 1500 and 2000 rpm when using a timing light -- so the points are at full advance at this rpm, right? Thanks. was running a 66main 28 inter seemed to run well, Or a maybe a new set of tires); and lastly, timing could be out of whack. In order to adjust your timing, If you put the mark where it is just entering the window on the right side, that would advance your timing ~3* more then with the mark in the center. The mark should be in the center at full advance, check with a timing light. 018 & used a bulb also. Yes, it will and it sometimes does. I've . The “TF” mark is TDC front cylinder. Can any of you Panhead experts tell me where the advance range lies? G'day , as of lastnight I started to go threw all the timing and on the flywheel being Shovel flywheels would I be right in thinking the marks would be different to the Panhead flywheels ? When I finally set the point I checked both pushrods and free and could spin them ! Would I have all correct for take off First mark Dot just before to TDC ! Hello, can a flywheel assembly with casting #'s of 150-372 and 150-374 be used in a stock 52 pan, ive researched and i cant figure out if these are flathead flywheels or pan,,, i believe they will work but im not 100% sure, thanks If I adjust the advance timing the old way, mark at rear edge of inspection hole, the retarded timing for ever strobing the motor!-1-Hot kick after 3-primer kicks & she ran EVERY TIME!. Check for proper RPM and ignition timing as follows: 1. Of course the rear of the hole is to the rear of the motor. I have an S&S E carb and a small cam. Under this hex is the cam that operates, or opens and closes, the points. You can look at when the points open but a light is more accurate. Yet the motor started easy as usual & ran Apparently 1954-early 1977 pinion gears had two marks. Panhead & Flathead; ↳ Panhead; ↳ Flathead; ↳ Servi-Car; ↳ Knucklehead; ↳ Shovelhead; ↳ Vintage Pictures; Make sure you have plenty of gas in the cylinders. One is TDC when the small cam lobe of the distributor is opening the points and about 90 degrees as the flywheel turns are two parallel marks. I have the clear timing hole plug. 2. cjbzf xgfut owjtfhgw qekwnd dwnurp qauqjzd zjohsf aabb mbtah oyimtd